Need Your Help. What will be the best way for me?

[Garou]

I am to open a webcam site. We have started to get our soft ready, we have around 50-60 models, etc but then i came accross with 2much.net. Their service seems to be perfect for me.

Pros:
-they solve the issues with billings. Without them i wouldn't be able to use paycom for example. And it will save my time.
-they have nice tech solutions (streaming, mbase, etc)

Cons:
-i cannot do much customization with my site if i use their software
-their sites seem to be alike... I want my site to be unique.
-"rumours" (?) about them ripping off ppl. I was advised to have a good lawyer if i wanted to work with them

Could You please comment on this? Am i missing some pros or cons? Are their any better alternatives (that would solve issues with billing like 2much claims to do).

Comments from 2much.net team and their customers are very appreciated.

Please helpme out guys. I will do my best to help you out any way i can either
Thanks in advance!

[juggernaut]

READ READ READ. All you can first before you go that route.

http://www.adult-webcam-faq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=603&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Garou]

[AWSP]

well it could be the clients that are happy dont know they are getting screwed ..
I know personally 5 people that came to me after being ran around in circles for 6mths + and butt loads of cash .. with 2much ..

Thats what i know .. thats really all i know P .

Billing solutions for this type of business are going to be CCBill or your own merchant account, if you can get one. Your own merchant account would be ideal, but you may need to build a frontend, backend for it, though most Cam software should come with its own interface for that, and can be tweeked to work with what ever billing solution you can get. Dont quote me on that ..

There are so many ways to do this type of business that it is impossible for anyone to be able to say they provide the best solution ..
Some solutions are good for this project, others do not fit that project at all .. It is not an easy question ..

Billing solution included .. ?? all software that is even worth considering has a billing solution provided . ??

What do you mean by Billing solution ?

The company(merchant gateway) that charges the card ??

Or the software that interacts with that company(merchant gateway) and your site ??

The software that interacts is provided by most Software that is geared to this business ... As it should be because why get the software at all then ..

CCBill works with Firecracker software. FireCracker also can be used with just about any merchant account you can get for this type of business .. Meaning they provide the interaction pages for working with several merchant gateways.

Having your own solution built would mean you know what type of merchant gateway you will be using and is built to work with that gateway ..

I only know what firecracker FOR SURE Supplies .
And i know i can build The interaction pages for most merchant gateways.

Keep in mind 2much is providing a SERVICE thats all .. You dont get the software and you cant tweek the software even if you get a programmer who can .. In the end if all fails you have nothing ...

[juggernaut]

Listen to this man Garou he knows what he is talking about. I have learned more from this site then any other. I had joined other forums only to be banned for asking simple questions and then getting flamed in the thread of which my replies were not so nice. But my point here is that I have never been treated like a newbe here or made to feel any of my questions were stupid. I rarly look elsewhere for answers now. I just post here and get responses back with in the day most of the time. Responses I can trust cause they make simple sense. Good luck to you.

[Garou]

this is what i mean under billing sollution:

i am not from USA and thus i am not able to deal with paycom or ccbill. CcbillEuro is the only option. Anyways i'll have to have a company registered and a bank account (in a bank that will accept adult-related money transfers). Even if i cope with all that i'll be able to use only membership access option of ccbill with 2 days min limit. No pay-per-minute etc. I am not able to have a merchant account either. All this is pain in the ass for me.
2much and joc offer to forget about this kind of problems. i'll be able to use multiple 3rd party billings, i won't need to register a company to work with them and i'll have pay per minute option for surfers.

I am able to make my own software bur i am not able to cope with cc processing myself (look above).

1. WILL FIRECRACKER HELP ME WITH BILLINGS So THAT I COULD RECEIVE PAYMENTS FROM SURFERS?
2. WHAT IF SOMEONE OF YOU COULD HELP ME WITH BILLING AND RELATED STUFF? we could do business together. I have treaffic and i know how to promote in the www. US citizens, i need Your help!? Site owners, i need Your help?!

[AWSP]

Is CCbillEuro related to CCbill ? ?
If so then i would bet they use the same system so yes firecracker should be able to plug into them..
Also CCBill NO LONGER HAS A TIME LIMIT .. >> So i have heard ....
If CCBILL and CCBILL EURO r the same CO then Wala that problem solved.

Let me explain somthing also.. .
TRUE PAY PER MINUTE BILLING cannot be done unless your site holds all informatiion of the card holder INCLUDING the card # .etc.. (this alone is not recommended as it is not very safe) Even then it is not True Per minute billing because that would mean you would need to hit your merchant gateway a billion times a minute << exageration ).

So the closest we can get to this is record the time they have been in video and BATCH it all to the merchant gateway at one time, at some point during the day. Possibly even a few times a day depending on how busy the site is..

<<OR>>

Make them buy the minutes first and set a time limit based on that amount and once we have the minutes used remove it from the account..
This is how most work.

So see there really is no such thing YET as PAY PER MINUTE ... NOTHING DOES PAY PER MINUTE...

Take for instance a dialer .. ok guy logs in with the dialer the dialer does not charge him $1.50 every 30secs.. it stores it and the phone company sends that guy a bill at the end of the month ..
to achieve TRUE pay per minute would mean your site would need to hit a merchant gateway every 30secs to charge $1.50 ,,,,,,,,, sorry thats not realistic because you get a thousand people doing that and that merchant gateway will crash ......... CRASH!!!! ...

Also on another note .. Seeing and knowing what i know of 2much .. i wouldnt trust them with my billing solutions let alone my cam girls/business .. That just makes me shiver ... *SHIVER* thinking about it .. but this is me ..


Anyway, I am sry it takes me few days to get back to you. very busy here.

[Garou]

I want to thank Yoou for Your reply, AWSP. You really help. CCBILLEU.COM is the same as ccbill.com but targeting european clients.

After loong lingering research i decided to write the software myslf and cope with the billing myself either. We assumed (i am not alone in the team ) it would take us 3-4 months for the software to be made and around 2-3 months for tests. It seems to be ok for us. Anyways it's a pity that there are no companies that could offer good service, customizable scripts and nice billing platform for a good price for the customers. As for regular content paysites - there is the software and services, as for webcams - none seems to be ideal.

We'll do it ourselves then