jamoncam?

[juggernaut]

Has anyone used it? I have been talking with them to use there software. We are currently allowing the vids to go threw yahoo and we know its only a matter of time before the customer stops paying us and pays the host directly. So we need some kind of control. Anyone have any experiance with this company? I am worried I will run into the same problem I had with 2much.

[Hony]

I believe the guy behind jamoncam is Pascal, the same one who has camchoice and cams4us. A serious webmaster -- though that in itself doesn't guarentee anything.

Hony

[AWSP]

that $5900 price what does that cover exactly ?
are you getting a server with that ?
do you have full access to that server ?
or are you just purchaseing Streams ?
Monthly fees?
if they give you a dedicated server, how much bandwidth do you have per month ? How much does bandwidth OVERAGE cost ?
Flash uses LOTS of bandwidth...

How many streams are you going for ?

some of these question are personal, but if you want a good evaluation of them id need to know prices, i hate calling companies and acting like im some customer .........
Anyway right off the bat, they are vague on what they give EXAclty, and how they deliver it ..

....just my 2 cents ..

[juggernaut]

they are having a special. Buy 1 license get the next higher one free. IE buy a license for 10 streams get a license for 20. part of there policy is that the software be placed on there servers for the 1st 3 months of opertation because they want to show you how to work the system. I dont beleve it will be dedicated. price for the server hosting is $150 a month. in speaking with them I explained I wanted to purchase software not go into some deal with a company where I rent there stuff. If I was to purchase i was told i would receive a cd and license for the software that I can place on my servers. I spoke with my programer on this and he is telling me to wait as he can design something. My problem I explained to him is I dont have 3 years to wait for a 1 man team to write code for this type of app. He tells me it will not take him 3 years or 3 months for that matter. so I have to give him his chance. right now things are ok if we wait as I am not dropping tons of cash to a hosting company. my prorgramer stated the same issue you had with the bandwidth and flash. I just have to relax and not get so impatient. 6k is a lot of cash to dump out on something when i would rather give it to the programer. anyway im in denver an have to stop letting this site take up 90% of my thoughts lol. thanks guys...awsp you truly rock.

[AWSP]

Ok well here is some more info for you to chew on.

You are wanting software....
If it takes your programmer less then 3mth to build somthing, it will take him another 6 to work the bugs out, depending on what he is trying to make it with.

Jamoncam, Im GUESSing . most likely they are useing Flash Communication server (FlashCom) software..... this software doesnt come cheap .. $500 for 50 concurrent connections .. $4000+ for 2500 concurrent connections .. there is no In between currently . you can stack the 50s, 5 high so max of 250 concurrent connections..
FlashCom is also suggested to be run on its OWN server Seperate from the website server.
My question to jamoncam would be, are they selling you FlashCom, or do you need to supply your own? And the CD you recieve does that include Source files for custom modifications ?

Also you say $150/mth for the server, How much Bandwidth would that give you? Using 20 concurrent connections with a FlashCom Application...
If the application has no built in restrictions to bandwidth you could be looking at 20 people hitting you at 250KBS (they would have to have the right kind of connection to get that speed, and more then likely not all 20 will be running that fast, some will move fast, others will move slow).

Keep in mind each one of your performers will be a concurrent connection running at at least 150KBS you hope....

So lets do some math:
4 hour sessions.
4 performers on at 150KBS.
say you get 5 people in at 56KBS for 40mins each
say you get 20 people in at 150KBS for 30mins each
say you get 10 people in at 250KBS for 30mins each

4 hour session is 14400 seconds
4 perf at 150KBS = 8640000 or 8gigs and 640megs of bandwidth...

now of course 56KBS is really nothing = 672000 or 672megs bandwidth.
20 at 150KBS = 5400000 or 5gigs and 400megs bandwidth.
10 at 250KBS = 4500000 or 4gigs and 500megs bandwidth.

Add it all up and you got 19.21 Gigs of bandwidth used for 4hrs .... this dosnt seem like alot maybe ... but times that by 30 days and double for 8hour period ...............1152.72 gigs for the month ... Very important to find out how much OVERAGE for bandwidth cost, and space too .. say they charge $150/mth for hosting and $3gig over 10gigs. with the above total your $150/mth hosting just went up to $3579........... OUCH!!!!!!!!!!

Im kinda confused on what exactly jamoncam means when they say 5hosts? how many viewers can those 5 hosts have ? .

I am a One man operation also... id say i could custom build one in about 6-10mths ... But i have no time to do it unless im paid too . I say 6-10mths because i know how picky people can be, in realistic terms the app would be mostly finished in 3mths (maybe less, but only cus i have most of it built now), the other 3-6mths would be testing, and more testing, fine tuning, integration to billing, affiliates etc..

there is other software... though im not so keen on selling it .. it is what i RESELL right now ... FireCracker .......

Just a note .. i might be wrong on that math up there .... maybe .. but its close im sure ..

..

[juggernaut]

God you drive me crazy. LOL But in a good way. All the things I forget to ask you remind me which I have to say thank you. I don't know if your numbers are right either but they are close enough to the point for me to understand. From all your posts I have learned so much. Your one post on this business really made me talk to the programer about creating the software due to the fact if this was to fall through at least we have that to sell. At this point the way we are going to go (cause it will be quickest for him) is with the windows media streaming server. 1) naked hosting offers it and from talking with them we have full access to the server remotly. IE we can terminal to the desktop and install and configure how ever we want, also not having to worry about a need for rebooting cause no one else will be on served on the box. In time we will be going Co Lo with MCI but im have been wondering if its just better to go with them right away as the $1600 a month for a t1 and a box in there rack is not bad and i think over time surly cheaper than anything anyone can provide us. 2) microsoft offers all the docs you need to custom the stream to a host instal package. 3) that what he wants to use for now.
We are not looking into a back end right now for managment. We are going to use the ccbill access. I will give each host access to limited things they will need to see. I know the bad part about going with microsoft will be cutting off any mac users which means a prob 30 to 40% of EU but at this point I really do not see any software that we like. I like the quality of the flash and the fact that just about anyone can view it. I do not like java as i have yet to see a stream that is really worth the money someone would pay for the package let alone the viewer getting anything worth the money. I must say that the stream I had seen from 2much was of high quality (so far I have not seen anything match it). We are going to take some breaks and really work on the major issues. One thing for sure is we dont want to be some flyby night site or get so wrapped up in the craziness of this that we decide to give up. We just want to make sure its done right. Some of the people here including myself should be dropping you some $ for the consultation you are providing. Thanks agains. Jugg...

[AWSP]

Well thanks very much, I have sent you a PM regarding your last post ...

But just remember this is just my opion, and as you all know, EVERYONES GOT ONE ....

[Garou]

so what was JOC's reply?

[juggernaut]

I never spoke with them on this issue. AWSP is great for pointing out things I should have asked. He is truly a solid source for information about this business. Once he explained all this to me it was then I made up my mind to talk to the programmer about writting something ourselves. I told them that I would not be using their software and thanked them for the price quote. They were always professional about it I never got any bad things from them or heard bad things about their software it was the bandwidth thing that scared me away really. Thanks to AWSP I did not go and waste money again.

[Garou]

it's strange that JOC has the same as text as 2much on their site...

[bootyoligist]

Hello everyone,
Booty was surfin the net with nothing better to do when I came across www.CamOnCam.com and what do you know it's the JamOnCam software. But low and behold I notice that on jamoncam they ask $6,000 for the entry level package (5 performer's) and on camoncam they are asking $10,000 for the same thing -i.e entry level 5 performer package. I'd probably say NO you are a CROOK ! Then run. lol lol

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BY BOOTYOLIGIST

[countvonozzy]

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[Jeffrey007]

Hello Everyone

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Regards ,
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[bootyoligist]

I don't know how your software works but your designs are generic. Maybe thats how you get them live in 14 days. I want good software and design. Not just 1 or the other. lol

[Jeffrey007]

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