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[AWSP]

[Jeffrey007]

Point well taken...I'll try to explain this a bit easier then.....
But...I disagree in your statement saying we will SUCK Your Bandwidth...Our system is far more efficient than anything else on the market...and when I'm saying per MB that =approx 312 Gigs of transfer....You would be clearing 5K before you went over that in sales...So to reiterate what I just have said...just because our system is faster doesn’t necessarily mean we take more bandwidth. Yes you have to give something to get something...if you like I have a PowerPoint presentation of technical pages of our codec...maybe you might want to see for yourself Let me know Ill email it to you anytime ...regards...Jeffrey

[bootyoligist]

[Jeffrey007]

If you want a software to put on your own servers then OdysseyCam is not for you, reason why we do this is ...Our software takes 3 servers...a web server a video server and a database server with SQL 2000. You need tech support 24/7 that knows our soft...who is going to pay for support? We offer this on our network...not on others. If you have seen our soft...it is some of the highest quality soft on net...but it takes support....if you think when you put up a cam site you are not going to need this and all will be well all the time....its not, tech stuff happens all the time...coders and programmers need to do things ...make sure all is stable. There is a serious cost factor for someone to maintain your servers...and we are not talking the Host, they can’t handle support on your servers with the live chat stuff, no way In any case....with 3 servers the cost is enormous... So maybe as you can see to have serious software takes serious money....not 10 or 30 or 40K (that was a light estimate, for those who built your own live sites...I think most will tell you, they came into this with one price, then when they finished it cost them like the Winchester mystery house, the building never seemed to end That’s just a part. By us offering you a spot on our network...we cut down the cost for you, but not in performance because we are a large network. And as far as Terms of service....our reputation stands true. Even after 12 years of live chat service...yes I was apart of this since 1993...we do not shut you down. Once you have paid that’s it. And once again....312 gigs of bandwidth...you go over that you are making money... great money, so the idea of you paying a $100 (approx) more a month on bandwidth if you made 5k I think is not unfair. But remember I see all day long of these hopes and prayers of building great cam sites...it takes dedicated 24/7 work...a serious marketing web background and money, lots of it to make it in this business. Remember "Traffic will always be king"! You are concerned with soft, I understand this....and web design, ok...not so much on that. You need models to get traffic and traffic to get models...Not sure how long you have been in this business. And I'm not questioning the facts...but yes you need a Base...the software. design of site...customer friendly...thats about it...and Marketing skills and time to do this...so many people fail at cam sites I see many ghost sites on the net....just not a sole on them. We are like family between our networks of owners...anytime you want a list to talk to them, you are welcome. And I'm sure they would be happy to tell you how great it is to work with FX...btw...you really don’t have to have an XTREME name...we just liked it was all. But in all fairness....I never said that this is what is best for you.....If you have lots of money and tech experience and realize that once you start the process of buying soft ...hosting it and paying for this and that...don’t be surprised if you go over your budget by 10X the amount you started. Some people never finish these projects due to inexperience and not enough money. again like I said what we do is build you a Complete one cost for the whole thing...we even have your own webmaster add-on program...basically a webmaster site for you to promote your site as a stand alone...and also you receive all payments for your site directly from our biller...Paycom.net. But please understand one thing....we have never had an unhappy customer...you don’t read bad things about us in any posts anywhere ...quite simply because we offer 24/7 Personal live support ...to teach and help the customer far and beyond anyone else in the live software business...we pride ourselves on this, that is what separates us from the rest...Regards,
Jeffrey Miller OdysseyCam. FX Networks

[Hony]

[bootyoligist]

[juggernaut]

In defense of this company. I will say when I spoke with them I explained what I wanted and they were very honest. They did not hide anything or claim things that seemed slick or shaddy. I got burned by another company and when talking with them I explained that because of this I would 1) ask alot of questions 2) not go with them if I feel the questions answered are BS 3) remain untrusting until they prove to me they can be trusted.
They never gave me a reason not to trust them. All my questions that I remembered to ask were answered honestly. AWSP pointed out some other facts that I did not know and when contacted again by this company I explained thos facts and they agreed with AWSP. The main factor for me not going with them was the BW issues with flash. But they did state to me that after 3 months of hosting with them and them showing me how to use the software yes I would receive the software and own it. But like they stated here the software takes management and the 3 months would prove that.
I don't see any problems with this company offering its software on another site at a differant price. I mean seriously people there are cam sites that are doing the same thing, so what's the differance? Is it ok for a cam site to have one site charging $1.50 per min and then on another site they own, they charge 2 times that amount or more? All the while with the same hosts? It's just business, that's the way it is. Their is nothing wrong with a company trying to make money as long as they are honest with there customers, either current or prospective.
Once again I never had any issue with this company. I just had issue of my own with the BW..

[AWSP]

I disagree.......

If the software is that good, and they know what they are doing, then it shouldnt REQUIRE, that much Tech attention to keep it running.... Its a server ROFL . tell it what to do, set it up to run the way you want it to, and it should run that way till you dont want it too ..
Granted there are things like updates, Rebooting, etc but thats about all i can think of....

I run a SQL server, Website Server and Flash Com server, Once the application is setup, you shouldnt need that much Tech support to keep it running...... i have the machine Reboot on its own every 4 days early morning. i watch the admin panel, i log into the server every 3 days or so and do updates that have come through. thats it .. so your telling me that your software REQUIREs constent attention from a tech, well then fire your software developers rofl .. oh and i watch the bandwidth.....


If you do, well then whoever built the software didnt build it very good did they...? ..

I know of several different ways to send Video and audio, If The software programmer KNOWS what he is doing he should be able to write the software so that it requires VERY LITTLE Tech support.

Take for instance FireCracker, we set it up, we make sure that the performers and viewers can log on, and that the Software is working properly, once we have done this, the only other things a TECH is required to do is, set it to reboot every 4-7 days, and log in to do any updates that have come up. THATS IT.. .. if there is a problem we are standing by to assist for the LIFE OF THE SOFTWARE!!.. But granted not every install goes that smooth, but mostly yes they do.

""""But please understand one thing....we have never had an unhappy customer...you don’t read bad things about us in any posts anywhere ...quite simply because we offer 24/7 Personal live support ...to teach and help the customer far and beyond anyone else in the live software business...we pride ourselves on this, that is what separates us from the rest""""

ONE your domain name hasnt even been up for 2yrs yet, so you couldnt have many clients through that name ..
TWO you could be some other Co, that changed there name and look etc, cus they DID have a bad rep.... Of course i could be wrong too .. YOU NEVER KNOW on the internet whos who....
THREE Most of the people who call me about these types of projects havent got a clue about the internet, so they really wouldnt be able to say much about you, if they had somthing to say.

THIS IS WHAT ALLLLLL BUSINESSES ON THE INTERNET SHOULD BE.. why are you proud of somthing that should happen naturaly ????????? Not to mention you say you been doing this for 12yrs .. i say your full of it.. rofl ..

And your no where near Above me buddy, i break my back for people who have come to me for work...

ok so i want to Clarify this I get a cam site, hosting for the life of the site, SQL database access, cut and dry for 10000$ ???
Ok how many streams can i stream?
Is there a monthly cost for the hosting? u say i get 312gigs of BW and it cost $100/312 gigs. this is all ?? for the life of the site? whats the monthly fee for the hosting?
How much do you charge to, add pages or change/update pages?
Can i log into FTP and have a designer of my choice design the site?
I could go on and on but these are enough.. you are VERY vague on your site , and again your Live Demo leads to a pay site that i have to give all my info to to get in and also have to buy time??? maybe you just trying to get traffic to your site also?

[Jeffrey007]

LOL...your trying here aren’t you We were in development for over 9 years before we went Live with our product....So the 2 years you see our domain up...means very little. Put it this way...If you would have bothered to see an honest demo of our product...then there would be absolutely no questions what so ever...saying a soft just runs with very little tech support ..well maybe not firecracker...but what do you get.. for all this cost for unlimited streams 25K, we charge 10K for Unlimited Streams again...just needs to be on our servers. In any case I get many ...complaints from many potential Customers...and I quote "I am interested in live streaming cam site software - Firecracker just does not cut it these days"...Now we can both sit here and have a Pissing war over what is better....The facts are the facts...some things are better for some people. True...firecracker for instance (I think this is what you are pushing in any case) yes can be put as a stand alone for somebody just wanting software. You need a coder....webdesigner...servers etc, etc, alot of extra costs for most people that are new and wanting a live site, just don’t want the headache (and I’m sure you get a lot of these as well…new to the business and wanting a cam site). And …what 25K for this? For the guy just wanting to start a Cam site. This cost in a technical sense and financial one is just way too much. We offer an exceptional complete package that is second to none as we have been quoted many times, all you have to do is see it...then there would be no question of what it is....we build the entire site...(Even with customers working with our designers to get what they want) add billing where the customer actually gets the checks directly from Paycom.net, (we even have a webmaster package ( a complete Site…for an added cost) that has the linking codes (stats for webmasters and sysadmin) for webmasters to push their products as well. We put this on our 3 servers, because yes the cost factor of maintaining and building our very large data base, is how we keep costs down (We will be adding another set soon) Our system is way to intensive for the average person ...maybe that why our video and voice quality Kicks serious ass on everyone else’s? Now I am not bad mouthing firecracker video in the sense that they developed a product, they marketed it and Mark made great money at this...Anyone in the software business knows its hard as hell to make it, and it takes a lot of work. I was around about the same time he started all this, we talked a few times, few years ago so again…in the sense of respect for what he did..np . There are Mac’s and there is Windows…everyone has a choice…I think this is what we are talking here.…I believe and others agree, for the cost of what I put out for customers…nobody can touch it, for quality and support and of course the price: We each have our products…we will both sell these for many to come, what’s good for one person may not be for the next…For the person that wants to be their total Sole entity….basically do their own thing.,…then firecracker or some of the other software companies may be a better choice…For the person that wants to have all done for them with exceptional quality at a low price where it’s a “Add models” and you are live in less than a few weeks…then our product is the way to go. If I left some things out probably means I am busy working..LOL…so want more info go to OdysseyCam site and contact us at the information given ,We will then give you a Personal Demo…Its what we like so we can educate people on the facts of starting a new Live cam site. We dont charge to update or upgrade pages, hosting up to 312 gigs(like I stated many times comes with the package per month...each additional 312 gigs there is a charge at the going rate..(as you know bandwidth rates change in price)...You want to use your own site design fine..we will add this to the server ..np...any time...(if its after we have built your site, ask for a quote ...you want a personal demo...contact us. So trying to put in negative quotes about Odysseycam...just tells me one thing...you obviously haven’t seen our product, because once you did...you wouldn’t say another “I disagree” ever again

BTW...I didnt know this was a personal war between you and me...was it?..lol.. I wish you well in your future work endeveors. Im sure you are as good as you say you are.

and just for the info. we are not new to this industry by any means http://www.odysseyuniverse.com

Jeffrey Miller CEO, OdysseyCam-FX Networks

[AWSP]

My basic statment was...
Was that your site/software seems to require ALOT of back end support.. your site is VERY VAGUE..

I was using Firecracker as an example only...

as for personal war or somthing, I dont like Soapoperas, so dont read stuff into this.
Ill argue with firecracker if they had the balls to get on here and post..

One you came outa the BLU, i been doing this long time and NEVER heard of you.
Two you site is VARY vague, ok so $10,000 gets me complete cam site for rest of my life on your servers? ? ? ? ? ? ? someone pinch me i have to be dreaming ......
Three that apparently only you and on your servers can get the software to work efficiently?? ..
Four You say SPECIFICALLY on your site im getting the software.. but am i?

So again i say .. $10000 for UNLIMITED STREAMS for the REST OF MY LIFE? Hosting and site included? .. somthings fishy ...
Personally i dont care if you do have a demo that i have to CALL you to get, you say on your site that click here to see demo and leads to a PAY site...

Getting much defensive here arnt you.

Personally i dont care if you sell the best software in the world, i can make better ..
I am not here to down you or your software. i am here simply pointing out the facts.. and asking the questions .. quit taking it so personal.. ROFL .

Oh and just to clarify, im not in the market to purchase video/audio/chat streaming software. I make my own thanks though.......

Also lets not step in the shit to much here, with Firecracker you GET the SOFTWARE, and a HASP key .. what does this mean this means i can RESELL it ... .. .. Can i RESELL YOUR PRODUCT IF I BOMB??? dont even compare the oranges and apples please..


Personally i dont like firecracker software either..............

oh yeah and what 1995 we were using 9600baud modems, if we were lucky 56k ?? so 12 yrs in this business dosnt add up my friend..

[Jeffrey007]

Our new website should be up in a week or so....that may clarify things a bit...so I will agree that the site is a bit vauge...true...but it really hasn’t slowed up sales...so we just didn’t jump on a new site sooner... So maybe once the site is up that may tell more. BTW If you can make a better codec than ours....go for it...this one I will have to see...years of development but who knows...maybe you are that good...as for 12 years in business...quite so....Internet related businesses....of course I wasn’t streaming video at 300K LOL we were Developing different codec’s and designs for many years...I built and owned studios all over the world.... from way back...but that’s besides the point....I will make a post when the new website is up...that should clarify alot...And I apologize to all ...if our site seemed incomplete...


Jeffrey Miller CEO FX Networks-OdysseyCam

[Hony]

I think we've got as much juice out of this thread as we can so I'm locking it now. Let's move on.

Hony