Private Shows: Model Exploitment on EVERY adult webcam site?

[rainot]

Please, can any of you girls tell me if all these adult webcam sites are recording the private shows, and later on selling them to porn websites? Is that the real way they make their profits?
My girlfriend got rushed into signing a contract with naked.com, and she was naive enough to not read it all through, and she signed... luckily she told the girl who took her registration that she wanted to keep a copy of the contract... so she took it home and read it more carefully. She was shocked to read that she had turned over all her rights to her image, biography, nickname, etc. on the webcam site, and that all her "services" belong to the agency... e.g. the videos recorded during her private shows.

This is what user "WEBS" posted on this forum a few months ago:

[Hony]

I believe that is pretty standard. The sites don't want to worry about what is and what is not ok to publish (is a thumbnail of you their copyright or yours? what about after you stop working, can they still list you as an ex model or an off line host (most hosts don't formally resign, they just stop logging in and there is no way for the site to know if they will be back)). So to simplify things they just ask for a licence for everything.

That's what their lawyers would advise them, and nobody reads the ToC so that is how it ends up.

Try doing something like entering a National Geographic photography contest -- you'll find you have given them perpetual rights to your photograph, even if it isn't a winner!

As for the ID photocopies and pictures -- that's a legal requirement. Try looking up 2257.

Hony

[rainot]

Thanks for your reply, hony.
You mention on the other post that they give the recordings away as "promo material". How do you know this for sure, when after mentioning these promotions, they also throw out the word "commercially"? To whom do they give them away? Do they do it in full lenght videos, or just e.g. 5 second captions? Any example you can provide? Isn't there a profitable market (amateur porn/masturbation sites) where these "private shows" could be sold, rather than being given away as "promo material"?
Maybe there's girls who don't give a damn about what these ppl are doing with their private shows, 'ause they'd rather do this kind of work instead of prostituting themselves in the streets. But then there's other girls, who may be studying right now, and in order to get some money to pay for their studies and other expenses, could give this a shot... but may fail to acknowledge that their videos could surface on the net in the near future, when they already have pursued a career, or may have become famous (in this case, a nude video of hers, sticking a dildo up her privates could completely destroy her career).

[Hony]

I don't have all the answers here, I just see what I see on the cam sites and associated sites. If this stuff troubles you (or your GF) then perhaps the cam business is not for you. It is a good fit for exhibitionists who are actually delighted at the idea that their nude images are all over the internet, and are happy to make a profit from that where possible.

Personally I don't think that anybody who would not be chuffed if their nude images was posted in Times Square tomorrow should be doing this.

Hony

[dreamvisionmodels]

hello,
Yes I agree with Hony, that is the industry standard when it comes to the contracts and the ID copies.

[model]

The sites don't give away, but use photos, videos as "promo material", affiliates of the site use these to promote the site and bring more traffic. I am not aware of them selling video archives or photos to amateur porn sites etc.

Pretty much all the contracts are the same, i think your gf should find another job. They won't do anything with the ID pictures, if some sites ask for a photo holding the ID in the hand is to make sure it is the same person as in ID applying for the job.
There is even worse, if she starts working, she might get recorded by so called pirates and posted on different forums, tubes.

[hotbabee]

Why doesn't GF just work as a none-nude host? Then she shouldn't worry about much, I dont think many visitors would record a smiling and chatting girl but if so, then who cares? )

Don't worry, pics of ID and you holding ID is common, they have to make sure, you are over 18. They will never sue you and black mail you lol, their smallest problem is bigger than this. New flesh is coming every day, they don't worry how many leave..
Good luck!

[dreamvisionmodels]

No offense to anyone, but we also come across some models who think this industry has no laws , just get a login and start broadcasting , like it was a free yahoo chat system.
Like every legal business , there is a need of a contract and prof of age etc.
Especially when they are not hiring you on a face to face meeting, but online, they need to make sure you really are the person who signs the contract, not a 15 year old who got a hold of some ID fooling around.

Adult industry especially needs to make sure no one is underage.
Good luck!

[tben]

How thorough are they?


Citizen: When you were under-age, did you use a fake ID or did people just not check? How did that work?



Penny: I used a fake ID. But that was for dancing and stuff like that or Web sites, when they needed my ID. But as far as doing the calls or bookings or whatever, none of these guys checked my ID. I mean, it was really obvious that I was under-age. I didn’t even really get developed until I was about 18 years old. Guys don’t care, as long as you’ve got what they want, pretty much.



Citizen: How did you get your fake ID?



Penny: It’s easy. I went to a bank in Portsmouth. I gave them somebody else’s information and Social Security number. They took my picture, put the ID up there, all the information, and that was it. I paid for it.



Citizen: Then you started doing things online?



Penny: Somebody contacted me from imlive.com. The guy basically told me that these girls do porn on cam and people come on, and for the first three minutes it’s free. And you convince them to pay for it. And then once they pay for it, you can use your [sex] toys or whatever. I felt way more comfortable with that than actually going out and doing something with somebody.[/quote]


The rest of her story is here

http://www.citizenlink.org/FOSI/pornography/sextrafficking/A000010443.cfm

[hotbabee]

tben,

interesting article, thanx

[minniesoporno]

It's started that majority of webcam sites own your image, and shows that you broadcast on the website. and they will resell it or use it on other websites to bring in traffic to the site.

how else do you expect webcam sites to bring in traffic without creating promotional material.

[Victoria Jones]

I don't think any of this happens on the site I work for, adultwork.com.

This is what it says in the privacy policy:

Will we pass on Your Data to third parties?


1. We may pass Your Data to other parties as follows:

1. Where relevant, Your Member Name and information you voluntarily provide in Your Member profile will be published on the Members' area of the site and this will be the identity by which You are known on the Site. Where other Members wish to contact You, they will be able to identify You by Your Member Name and any other information You may yourself disclose via the Site.

2. To Our employees, suppliers and agents to administer Your Membership and the services provided to You by Us or them, now or in the future.

3. We may disclose Your Data to the police, regulatory bodies or legal advisers in connection with any alleged criminal offence or suspected breach of the Terms and Conditions of Use and (where appropriate) Membership Terms and Conditions by You or otherwise where required by law.

2. We do not pass or sell Your Data to third persons for any other purpose than those set out in 4.1 above.

I'm in the U.K though. The laws are different here. Nobody can use your image or personal data without your consent.

[hotbabee]

I agree with you Victoria, it can be done like that too. I think sites should ask hosts if they let them use their pics and videos for promotion. Some hosts want to keep low profile, while others have a very exhibitionist side and wouldn't mind if their pics are used as promo material. When they use your pics as promo, country blocking loses its meaning. for some girls it's a problem, for others it's not. And sites shouldn't worry about the lack of promo material, there are hundreds of women who are eager to be advertized everywhere and are proud of what they do.