Treatment of hosts in Eastern Europe

[wilburr]

A friend of mine worked for a site in Czech for about 6 months. She was recently "let go" (uhmmm actually it was more like she was demoted from one site to another, then she quit)

Now she tells me that he was penalized for breaking the rules. Not stripping enough, talking about her salary, talking bad about management, among otherthings.

She told me that she essentially got fined 5 months of pay. Now she isn't asking for money. But I want to know does this sort of thing actually happen? She was basically told to give back pay for the entire time she was there!

Any thoughts or opinions?
Thanks

-W

[Hony]

Hi Wilbur, welcome to the forum and thanks for the interesting question.

I'd be very intrested to hear wht the others say -- basically I think there are a lot of crooks out there in every area of the webcam world so everybody really has to take care.

Hony

[angeltel]

well i find this very interesting indeed wish you could name and shame the site

my queries are this

if this girl was doing this why not say to her staright away why wait 5 months? then penailse her sounds to me like they are a site struggling to survive and are basically crooks

in all my time on sites 4 years i have never came accross this but im very particular about what site i will work for.as hony said to many crooks out there and now for the new sites opening they find it hard to get hosts as so many girls are wary so they stick with the well know sites.


i think this method that has happened to your friend is disgusting
if she had probs with management and things why did she not leave?and go to another site .

im afraid i wouldent be returning any money back to them but thats just me .

did she offer full adult strip and nude then not do it?if not then surley depending what she was offering this is her choice.

there is so many questions you can raise about this but unless we know the full details is really hard to answer

my biggest question is why did they wait 5 months does not seem right

i persoanlly think if a camsite owner hada problem with me they should say immediately not wait 5 months then say oh by the way you did blah blah blah sorry this screams out SCAM to me and totally out of order

good luck to your friend
angela

[Hony]

Yes I agree the 5 months is quite strange. I think a lot of times they just don't pay to save costs!

There are a lot of webcam sites now that basically don't have enough business and so no cash and they resort to cheating to get money.

Finally they give up and sell the site - someone else buys it up and wants to get the good stuff (name, traffic, customers) without being reponsible for the debts of the old one!

Hony

[wilburr]

I didn't really want to say anything because I am only hearing half the story. I also don't know how much is true.

I spoke with my friend today, and she is preparing to flee her country. she claims her former boss is now trying to blackmail her for more money. He is claiming he will send pics of her to her family. She decided that she will leave the country, so he won't contact her, and if he does contact the family, then she won't be around when it happens.

The site she used to work for is part of the DirectSex network, I know they have studios in several cities.

Has anyone worked with DS, does this sound like it might happen?

[Hony]

Wow that sounds terrible. As you say it's particularly hard for you when you only hear half the story though.

The blackmail thing is really nasty though, anybody doing webcam has to realize that their pictures are never going to totally disappear. If you have appeared in a picture nude you probably can't be President of your country even 50 years later because that picture will come out!

Hony

[BABY]

huh .u know i thought that too about becomeing a president and they will see my pic..even now after 2 years of not working on if i still can find my pics on google verry fast...about those bad sites i have said it in another comment...some people make sites like that and when they see that isnt working verry well and they have debts ..they take advantage of the distance betwin them and chathosts and get theys money ...one of those sites is WWW.CYBERMATE.TV aldow now the owner who is an lier and an idiot says that he sends the money he still isnt i one worked 3 weeks there and made 500$ ...money that i had to pay school and internet connection ...money that i never got ..i have his username on yahoo msn i leave him messages from time to time ..never answers..once he said he will send them to me 50$ at week ..again a lier...anyway take good care out there guys or girls..

[drcubi]

We had a good Romanian model working for a "studio". Well it turned out to be some guys apartment, during the night when he wasn't using his computer.

We of course paid the studio diligently, it was some months after that we realised that he was paying the model only 15% of total revenue received. But that was their arrangement - abhorrent as it felt, it was not our business. Then when she had a big month, (close to $1000) he fired her and didn't pay her anything. When he came to us with a new model, we declined his business.

This is just an example of worker abuse in Eastern Europe. I am sure this experience is only the tip of the iceberg.

[NiusMe]

wow thats fucking horrible. and some people ask why i dont like studios...

and yes i know there are good studios. but is like policemen.. you better think of them all as bad, and you might get the surprice to get a good, non abusive one, than to get beated for been naive.

[sofia2005]

i had a problem like that with a site some months ago, they said me "to be nacked more time" i said, with visitors ok, if i haven´t visitors, then i will be dressed, they started to not pay all money i got (warming me "is bcs u are not taking in acccount our advices")
finally i left them i lost i guess around 500€ in the months i worked there.

some studio´s boss and some sites think that they are the law and in eastern is the worst, bcs sometimes the chathosts are far away from the site´s offices, a lot of sites are in belgium, holland and germany and girls working from Eastern Europe (Czech , russia, romania etctec) can be easily taken out, from belgium u can lie with "we will pay u in 2 weeks" and never send the money, how a girl from romania for ex go to belgium or holland to try to get their money? (i think is the country with more problems)

[DanPhx]

[VICTORIOUSKNIGHT]

Some studios sign contracts with the models. If she signed she wouldn't give out information and she did it is her fault.

If she doesn't have a contract then she needs to look for her rights.

Nick

[NudeAngelsLive.com]

Ok this will be my first post here so take it easy on me..

I have several studios as well as individual models in Central Europe.
To tell you the truth, the are always two ends of the story. I know some studios are nowhere near professional, but in some cases neither are the models...

But lets start from here.. We sign written contracts with EVERY model that wants to work for us. Its a common thing over here that models work without any agreements in some studios. If they decide to work for someody who wants to be anonymous, who doesnt pay taxes and basically isnt officially a studio - its their choice.
We HIRE every model upon agreements - if we wouldnt pay, we'd be more screwed than its worth (IRS controls would be the least that could happen).Thats why every model has guaranteed payment.

However, in the contracts we have their is the 'money clause'. If a model is caught upon contacting our customers besides work to make profit, there is a certain amount in the contract that we are eligible to demand from her. Reason for this is simple - we pay out top rates in our country, thats why we demand that the models are not cheating on us. In a few years history of our work in live chat business only once were we forced into executing such agreement - two weeks ago we had undeniable evidence that one of our models received over 1000 British pounds in checques and presents. That is why we have the 'money clause' in our agreements.

Another thing mentioned on this topic is switching studios. Sometimes its not possible to do so. One very popular chatsite, which works on a 'sister-site' system does not allow studio switching. If a model decides to leave a studio, she cant work on that site for anybody else. And it wont matter if she wasnt payed by her studio owner, or was fined for some reasons or simply wants to work for somebody else. No is a no. Its kind of strange, especially that this site is no longer in the top ten, and should be aware that its maybe because of such rules.

Another thing is that its very common in other studios to cut models payoff if she isnt online for example 40h per week. Models are told that they will have excellent payrates, but if they arent able to work 40h their payments gets cut by half.

And finally - the 'not naked enough' issue. In my opinion its up to the models on what they decide to wear and how to look at work. Our models are told and given a several day trainig course before going online. After that they know what they have to look like, how to react, how to move etc etc. But NEVER did any of our models hear, that she is not naked enough. Thats simply the first step to losing a model. Too bad that some just dont realize that.

Ok thats about it. Hope this will stir things up a little

[TheMole]

Actually, it is an excellent post. Thanks

[woobinator]

I have a friend that worked for a studio feeding to several sites. Bait and switch pay was pretty common in their boss's vocabulary. When girls were fired for complaining, the studio owner would send pics or pvt chat vids to their families, etc. If they tried to change studios, they got hit with the 90-day ban...sometimes longer. On top of this they also had problems with sites not wanting to pay the studios. It's a mess...