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xxxaccess
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Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:32 pm Post subject: Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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I like to further add more to what I posted in my introduction in the Intro thread..
I'm a photographer and run into webmaster's that will act the same way. I'm a person that will almost share anything I know.. I can only relate with this small story, I once asked a photographer how he did something and the bastard would not tell me.. said "Its a Secret, that's the way I make money".. well screw him.. I went and figured it out and a year later told to f'off.. I was not going to compete with him and even if I did there is so much or so many possible consumers that we/all can share in revenue. So the same I find with webmasters.. most of the stuff can be figured out if the knowledge is available.. learning it yourself, hiring someone or even buying the right tools for the job.. Even both are an ART per say, but its an art that can be learned.. while art such as paiting, or singing, etc.. is part of the person.. and I consider webmastering and photographer to a point at that, the art comes in when passion is pushed beyond what most can do..
So what I like to ask from other webmasters/mistress is share some knowledge on where you get your software or do you build it yourself from scratch where I tend to think NOT.. the cost are way too high unless you are that individual who is a true artist of the trade.
I enjoy some of the sites I seen here in the board such as LatinsLive.com, http://www.sexxxychat.com, exoticams.com, etc..
Are these affiliate sites where you just frame up or are they unique to you?
If you dig around my site http://www.radicalcams.com, you'll figure out our software and all the ins and out..
If I don't get any replies I'll understand and I will figure it out myself..
"I like to find others that would help out with the ins and outs of running a webcam web site portal. The site Radical Cams is something I am working on with others and we have allot to put on in adverstisment to bring traffic and hiring studios and models overseas for lower cost. I need help.. and any input other webmasters have would be great
I/we are about to start advertising a small budget' in the 1-10K monthly.. plus expenses for oversea's studios in eastern europe... I am looking and blowing it with Yahoo and Goodle for keyword (adwords)... some print and question is how to do RevShare with webmasters.. My idea is only to give a huge first user payout from each webmaster cause we are so new..
2nd.. we need hostestess or studios.. if anyone is interested please get back to me... we are interviewing some studios and are ready to offer payment if a studio can provide at least 6+ girls online during peak hours 7 days per week..
3rd. I think our software is substandard, but it works. If anyone has some great packages or places to piece things together like web streaming, live chat, billing processing, etc.. or all the works in one please let me know.. I like some sites out there like icuchat.com and videosecrets.com and we are looking at something as this and growning with our own development or packaging all together.. "
Thanks,
Adam
http://www.radicalcams.com (cheap plug for a dead site right now) |
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Hony
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Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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HI Adam, welcome. Yes you are right that a lot of people really are not interested in sharing.
In the webcam world it seems that the chathosts are the ones who share a bit more -- the studio bosses and the webmasters don't share anything!
As for the software, there is a mix but I think the only hope of really being successful is to have your own software.
The pre-built packages are just not flexible enough to let you be better/different enough to make a mark!
Hony |
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DanPhx
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Joined: 10 Mar 2004
Location: Phoenix, Arizona. USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:24 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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| Hony wrote: | HI Adam, welcome. Yes you are right that a lot of people really are not interested in sharing.
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Pay-per-minute webcam seems like a pretty crowded marketplace, to me.
They are all chasing the same small fraction (who are willing to pay-per-minute) of the very large online porn audience .
I did a very unscientific poll while chatting as a visitor in camrooms on two different systems a few months ago (livebabes.tv - after they joined that dreamcam network- and spread4u). Roughly one third of the visitors said (who knows if they were telling the truth) that they belong as paying members to at least one pay adult site (i.e. non-cam. i.e. the $25 / month type sites).
But only about 10% said they ever paid per minute for a show.
That tells me there is a lot of money being left on the table by the pay-per-minute-only sites and camhosts since some of their prospects DO pay-per-month, but not pay-per-minute.
By the way, I discovered that I got answers more quickly while the camhost was off doing a show or on break than while she was in the room. I guess that makes sense, but I didn't think about it before I started asking around.
I imagine if a camhost were asking, the answers would be even more valuable data. What do you think, Hony? others?
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In the webcam world it seems that the chathosts are the ones who share a bit more -- the studio bosses and the webmasters don't share anything!
As for the software, there is a mix but I think the only hope of really being successful is to have your own software.
The pre-built packages are just not flexible enough to let you be better/different enough to make a mark!
Hony |
I agree with Hony. Fill-in-the-blank template type
"one size fits all" solutions are just too generic.
Got to have something you can really design and create with!
That's when artists such as photographers can really ad value.
When creative people can create, the results outshine the software. That's a thing of beauty.
As software designer (true for a desinger of anything)
it's a constant balancing act....
"Give them fish" (no options at all)
vs
"Fish with them" (templates i.e. finite options)
vs
"Teach them to fish" (so they can create)
vs
"Drop them off at the lake, hungry"
( normal software "tools"  )
My software has features like... "I want to make one like THIS one I'm running now". So when the viewer sees something they like it's a matter of making changes to customize, not start from scratch. Similar in idea, but better than the "view source" feature on the web browser. A blessing and curse.
My software has full working examples that demonstrate all the features that an author can use when they create their own. Run, copy, paste, bingo, now such-and-such from there is in yours. But, you still have to "want it"
But, the best example of my point might be...
You can show pictures anywhere on the screen using
"show_picture". But, if you want something special more without
much work, you can have a "gallery" along any edge of
the screen using just a few click. Then, a smaller version
of each picture shown goes also into the gallery for a unique
effect you can't do in html or in an old-fashioned "slide show."
But, if a gallery were all you could do, that would be bad because there wouldn't be anything special once everyone was doing it. And that would be no better than now-trival "click here for a photo gallery of free pics that you must manually click-view-close-repeat in order to decide if you want to join/buy/whatever."
YUCK.
"Teach them to fish and if they go hungry, it's only their fault" 
Dan
p.s. Thanks for the reply to my message, Adam. I'll contact the person you referred me too. I hope your site is up soon and successful. And welcome to Hony's board.  |
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xxxaccess
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Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:24 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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Thanks Everyone,
Just trying to get ideas and very good ones presented so far... The software we use is mentioned here, I know I seen it we are one of their leased licenses.. It works but as everything improvement is needed but very time consuming..
Myself, I am involved with others in Radical Cams are all part timers, but I have worked in the field as a e-commerce manager for a number of years so I understand, my personal stuff is that I run a few adult sites.. I was written up in AVNOnline last month and that was great, but my site has not had a change in months.. Just can not get my act together.. LOL.. but I am putting in some time into RC cause there is some backing on this from other people so it might be a venture to work on during free time and see if it may succeed.
What I seem to have faced is that Print Advertisment in local adult / escort type magazines was not the greatest in return. So I am proposing to our investors maybe giving advwords and overture a try because more consumers tend to be impulse buyers and a web cam site is more or less an impulse buy such as all things online for sale, porn or not.
Dan, I think you have a good point in getting sign ups, but then on the other one I have a friend that making a great amount of extra money from Video Secrets on revshare (affiliate). Basically for the past year he has had about 3-5 users that continue to pay per minute, and bring him quite allot of money each month. On the average each user will blow 200-500 per session.. But the side part he has not had an additional referred person in probably more then a half a year. I keep video secrets up on 2 or my sites and as of yet never had one actual sign up to them from my site, but I see that he is banking on a few individuals and for me its worth to keep a banner up..
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Hony
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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Truth is there are only a few big spenders out there, but boy do they spend a lot!
Hony |
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DanPhx
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Joined: 10 Mar 2004
Location: Phoenix, Arizona. USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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| xxxaccess wrote: |
Dan, I think you have a good point in getting sign ups, but then on the other one I have a friend that making a great amount of extra money from Video Secrets on revshare (affiliate). Basically for the past year he has had about 3-5 users that continue to pay per minute, and bring him quite allot of money each month. On the average each user will blow 200-500 per session..
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I think that's terrific and in no way an "on the other hand"
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But the side part he has not had an additional referred person in probably more then a half a year.
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That's like arguing there's no need for electicity in the house, because lightening strikes enough each month.
Of course everyone loves home runs, silver bullets and magic wands. But when you rely only on those, what do you have? Not much of a business, just some accidental income.
| xxxaccess wrote: |
I keep video secrets up on 2 or my sites and as of yet never had one actual sign up to them from my site, but I see that he is banking on a few individuals and for me its worth to keep a banner up.
ADam |
Wow. Not one? Out of how many impressions per month (on average) of that banner?
Don't forget if someone learns about a site from your banner, but signs up too many days later, you don't get credit. "Whoops. So sorry, thanks for the free business." 
Imagine if you or your friend could offer something special to sign up through you instead of just being one of 1000 blind traffic senders.
If a signup through you meant a free screensaver for Video Secrets that changed everyday automatically ( or some site not afraid to try something new ). You'd could be their best affiliate. They would certainly have more members.
Imagine.
Someone in this industry will try. 
Dan
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xxxaccess
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:10 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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I never really looked at how much I get.. my traffic is not that high.. I do average around 1000-3000 users per day between 2 or 3 websites..
I know there are big spenders out there, its just finding one.. LOL..
thanks for the input dan.. |
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DanPhx
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Joined: 10 Mar 2004
Location: Phoenix, Arizona. USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:32 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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| xxxaccess wrote: | I never really looked at how much I get.. my traffic is not that high.. I do average around 1000-3000 users per day between 2 or 3 websites..
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Cool.
| xxxaccess wrote: |
I know there are big spenders out there, its just finding one.. LOL..
thanks for the input dan.. |
You are welcome. Thanks for the feedback and the referral.
I hope redicalcams.com is back up soon for you, your partners and visitors.
I think we can do business together
Dan
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DanPhx
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Location: Phoenix, Arizona. USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:56 am Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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| Hony wrote: | Truth is there are only a few big spenders out there, but boy do they spend a lot!
Hony |
I heard once that cumonherface.com has 6500 members at $29.95
per month.
That's a fair number of little spenders, for just one website.
Revenue of $200,000 per month is nothing to sneeze at.
Dan |
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Hony
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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I was meaning webcam chat big spenders.
Anyway, cumonface is hardly average -- they are a niche leader -- there are also similar pay-for-pic sites which get like 1 customer a month.
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DanPhx
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Location: Phoenix, Arizona. USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: / Further Introduction: Running A Web Cam Portal Help |
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| Hony wrote: | I was meaning webcam chat big spenders.
Anyway, cumonface is hardly average -- they are a niche leader --
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I only offered the single data point because, unfortunately that's all I have. I didn't mean to imply it was average. I certainly didn't mean to imply that a 6500 member Fan Club paying per month is around the corner for anyone or easy.
But I also know a zero person Fan Club is easy to maintain and generates no revenue.
Anyone else have any real numbers for real pay-per-month membership sites?
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there are also similar pay-for-pic sites which get like 1 customer a month.
Hony |
And some with zero!!... unable (or unwilling?) to hone their "unique value proposition" in a very crowded marketplace. There's a lot more to every successful business than just having a product and hoping people will come and pay. Just like there's more to being a successful camhost than simply sitting in front of the camera and hoping someone pays.
Right?
I think there's a couple of lessons with cumonherface.com. One is their weekly videos are 20+ minutes long. Much longer than the typical 5-10 minutes a week that most pay-per-month sites I've seen have. Sites that, I'm told, lose up to 50% of the their members every month, clearly are just "happy to get something" because they offer so little to motivate people to stay with their "me too" position in the business. COHF clearly does better than the typical site in that regard and is rewarded every month at the bank.
Another lesson, I believe, is that when COHF started livebabes.tv they did close to nothing to distinguish themselves from the other hundreds of cam pay-per-minute sites. It wasn't uncommon to find 1 or 2 women working and for them to go hours and hours with no lightening striking. Then they joined a network. Now you really can't tell the difference between their site and a dozen others (who you the same (imo, terrible looking) mydreamcam template-tized software for an interface). yikes.
Sure they get more traffic now to the camhosts because they are part of the network and there's more revenue flowing, which is a very good thing. But now what? Sit and wait for a few big spenders to happen by? That can most kindly be described as the absence of a marketing strategy.
Sure, livebabes.tv will survive, but get no especially large piece of the pay-per-minute pie for their trouble as long as they have just another "me too" camsite with "me too" camhosts sitting in "me too" cam rooms doing "me too" pay-per-minute private and nude shows.
Heck, in the old days the camsites could mistakenly trick themselves into thinking that having certain camhosts distinguished themselves from the competion. But guess what, a funny thing happened on the way to the bank, that was simply too inefficient for the camhosts, because, guess what... there are too few big spenders to make a business out of it!. So it became commonplace to work 2, 3 .. more? camsites at the same time. That's a direct result of the camsites doing an equally bad job at being a business.
Now that that (product differentiation via camhosts) train has long since left the station, as far as I can tell, they (with the exception of iFriends) have nothing to stand on - in a product differentiation sense. All i've seen are "me too" wannabes "just happy to get something" all over the place.
Perhaps I've just visited the wrong several dozen camsites?
And talked to the wrong few owners/managers, so far?
Dan |
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